Random 15 Championship 2009/10

[Going Underground]

Hello all I am playing catch up 1st chance I have had to get on the internet since Thursday

1. July to include DLR no
2. September Aldwych start yes
3. Number of rounds 6
4. Double points last round yes
5. A round including LO no
6. Include a Sunday round yes

Aldywch and a Sunday round quite appeal to me, I like the double points I think it certainly made us push even harder at the weekend for a decent time...

[joy54]

Currently we are at:

1. July to include DLR
Yes- 7
No- 3

2. September Aldwych start
Yes- 4
No- 7

3. Number of rounds
5- 1
6- 9

4. Double points last round
Yes- 5
No- 0
1.5x- 3
Joker Round- 1

5. A round including LO
Yes- 5
No- 4

6. Include a Sunday round
Yes- 5
No- 5

[tangy]

Tangy says:

Include DLR: Agree (but only 1 round per year)

Aldwych: Agree (though only as a one off)

No. of rounds 6: Jury is still out...

Double points last round: Agree (though it made me completely mess up my attempt) though would also agree with x1.5 points if this is decided too.

Include NLL: Agree (like DLR, one round per year)

Sunday attempt: Disagree

[Mitchell&BrownLook]

I'm certainly looking forward to taking part at some point, so although I haven't yet competed I'll vote now.

1. July to include DLR Yes
(I don't think there is anything wrong with this at all. Why not also have a LO round to cancel out any problems this may cause to some?)

2. September Aldwych start Moderately No
(Can't say it floats my boat, but I wont boycott an event with this feature!)

3. Number of rounds 6
(As far as I'm concerned it's the more the merrier, as more people will be able to make more Rounds that way.)

4. Double points last round Amendment
(I propose that every body's best Round at the end of the Championship scores Double points. It virtually ensures the final Round is a title decider, but does not exclude those who can not make a specific round, or more importantly, the final Round.)

5. A round including LO Yes
(See Point 1 - So I'll "vote moderately for if combined with DLR round" to quote Hassan)

6. Include a Sunday round Abstain
(I can see both sides of the argument with Dudey on one side saying that it would be impossible/harder to complete which spoils enjoyment, whereas the other half of me says that by putting it on a Sunday this opens the event up to more people. Perhaps the BERC could conduct a poll roughly 2 months before each round as to which date more people would prefer, then list a number of Saturdays and Sundays?)

There's my votes, with some suggestions for you to consider if you wish.

[al]

My opinion:

1. July to include DLR YES (as a one off/one a year)
2. September Aldwych start CAN'T DECIDE (poor runner v history and a bit different)
3. Number of rounds 6
4. Double points last round YES, or double best round which seems reasonably fair
5. A round including LO YES
6. Include a Sunday round NO (London takes ages to get to/from on a Sunday)

I would have to say that I won't go off in a strop if the collective verdict is totally opposite to mine - I'll still take part in them all (except maybe the Sunday one!)

[Soup Dragon]

Thanks for the input so far, some good ideas all round.

The BERC votes as follows:

1. July to include DLR yes current score 11-3 in favour
2. September Aldwych start yes current score 7-7 TIED edited after Edgemaster changed vote
Just to point out it would be Aldwych plus 14 other stations as Aldwych will count as one, it's not far to run to Temple (and downhill) and also there are loads of buses you can take if you don't want to run. Also this gives you half a dozen stations to go to from Aldwych which will add to the fun. It's more for historical value as it is 15 years since Aldwych closed.
3. Number of rounds 6 current score 12-1 in favour
4. Double points last round yes
I do likes James' Joker idea, but would suggest you hand in your Joker when you submit your time to the BERC, that way if you think you have a belter of a time then you can try and double up some big points, of course if other teams have done better you could waste your joker. This doesn't disadvantage those who can't make the final round and everyone has the chance to double up some good points. Within a team not all members of one team might chose to play their joker on the same event which could add to fun. The BERC would not reveal the Jokers played until the result of each round are announced.
5. A round including LO yes current score 8-4 in favour
6. Include a Sunday round no current score 8-5 against
taking into account a few comments maybe Sunday isn't such a great idea. I don't think evenings are really viable for R15, because there are normally a couple of times close to 4 hours, if you get a bad set of stations it can make it hard for everyone to get to the pub afterwards, such as the ZICC R15 in 2008.

Should we have a pre-set Calendar of all dates for 2009/10 or just agree dates nearer the time, taking into account engineering works etc...?

[mps247]

I'm quite concerned by all the "no" votes for a one-off Aldwych start in September to celebrate the 15th anniversary of its closure (especially as I suggested starting there!). I think I had better add something to what Soup Dragon said...

Just to point out it would be Aldwych plus 14 other stations as Aldwych will count as one, it's not far to run to Temple (and downhill) and also there are loads of buses you can take if you don't want to run. Also this gives you half a dozen stations to go to from Aldwych which will add to the fun. It's more for historical value as it is 15 years since Aldwych closed.

Just to try to back-up the above, the distance between Aldwych and Temple is about 300 m, which is just a little more than the distance between Aldgate East and Aldgate, which all of us run anyway.

Aldwych is around 800 m from Charing Cross, Embankment, Covent Garden and Holborn.

In the case of Charing Cross, you have a choice of no fewer than 10 buses (6, 9, 11, 13, 15, 23, 87, 91, 139 and 176) that leave from just outside Aldwych station, and three stops later, drop you off in Trafalgar Square. The number 176 even takes you to Leicester Square one stop after Trafalgar Square, and the numbers 6, 9, 13, 15, 23 and 136 take you to Piccadilly Circus 6 stops from Aldwych.

For Holborn, a 200 m run takes you to a bus stop from where you can take the one-stop journey on no fewer than 8 buses (1, 59, 68, 91, 168, 171, 188 and 243).

Just think of the chaos of having to decide which direction to go in! Add to that the fact that this will be the 15th anniversary, so what better than an R15 to mark the occasion?

Should we have a pre-set Calendar of all dates for 2009/10 or just agree dates nearer the time, taking into account engineering works etc...?

I think it is probably better to agree on dates nearer the time, as we will all have a better idea of our other commitments and we can tailor a date to maximise attendance.

[Edgemaster]

Ok, I've changed my vote on Aldwych.

I also like the joker idea for the bonus points - it doesn't prevent people who cannot make all the events from getting a good place.

[Mitchell&BrownLook]

Also changed my mind on Aldwych. I'd misunderstood it completely, I thought you somehow HAD to run to your first station which seemed a little daft, and defeating part of the whole fun of tube-challenging. So my view's now "Go for it, it sounds a laugh!"

[palkanetoijala31]

If aldwych is agreed then being the runner here it might be a good idea to play the joker on this 1.

[Starkey7]

I'll vote for Aldwych, but against Sundays, and I'm abstaining on the rest.

[Soup Dragon]

Based on the majority of votes cast so far the 2009/10 championship will be as follows:

Round 1 - July, includes 25 DLR stations in Z1/2. (need to decide ruling on Bank DLR)
Round 2 - September, will start at Aldwych as the first of 15 stations.
Round 3 - November, normal round
Round 4 - January, normal round
Round 5 - March, to include LO stations in Z1/2. (need to decide ruling on stations sharing LU and LO)
Round 6 - May, normal round

Each round will be on a saturday with the time and specific date being agreed nearer the time.

Bonus points by use of jokers, details to be finalised.

[mps247]

My initial thoughts are that if GWR rules state that there are two Hammersmiths, two Paddingtons and two Edgware Roads, then:

Round 1 - July, includes 25 DLR stations in Z1/2. (need to decide ruling on Bank DLR)

The DLR platforms at Bank should not be regarded as being a separate station. Canary Wharf DLR is separate from Canary Wharf (Jubilee), so I would be inclined to call them separate stations.

Round 5 - March, to include LO stations in Z1/2. (need to decide ruling on stations sharing LU and LO)

Likewise, West Brompton, Kensington (Olympia), Willesden Junction, Kensal Green, Queen's Park and Highbury & Islington shouldn't be thought of as separate stations to their underground counterparts.

However, seeing as you physically have to leave Shepherd's Bush, West Hampstead and London Euston to transfer between the overground and underground, these should probably be considered to be separate stations.

[palkanetoijala31]

My initial thoughts are that if GWR rules state that there are two Hammersmiths, two Paddingtons and two Edgware Roads, then:

Round 1 - July, includes 25 DLR stations in Z1/2. (need to decide ruling on Bank DLR)

The DLR platforms at Bank should not be regarded as being a separate station. Canary Wharf DLR is separate from Canary Wharf (Jubilee), so I would be inclined to call them separate stations.

Round 5 - March, to include LO stations in Z1/2. (need to decide ruling on stations sharing LU and LO)

Likewise, West Brompton, Kensington (Olympia), Willesden Junction, Kensal Green, Queen's Park and Highbury & Islington shouldn't be thought of as separate stations to their underground counterparts.

However, seeing as you physically have to leave Shepherd's Bush, West Hampstead and London Euston to transfer between the overground and underground, these should probably be considered to be separate stations.

Oh god some technical nightmare im going to have tonight.?

[Mitchell&BrownLook]

As we seem to have 2 similar threads at once here can I attempt to solve Andi's wonderfully self styled "technical nightmare", by pointing him and others to the discussion here, especially the 2nd page of this thread. http://www.tubeforum.co.uk/forum/viewto ... f=4&t=1328

Sorry if you have already read this.