Paddington, why 2 visits?

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Paddington, why 2 visits?

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During Zone 1 yesterday dashing at break neck speed (not :wink: ) from H & C to Bakerloo at Paddington, I just about managed to notice that we did'nt actually leave the confides of the station. I was expecting to have to go outside the station and around (as per TFL map).....
So this being the case can anyone explain why two separate vistits are required :?:
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I can't explain it either to be honest. I mean, the District/Circle lines are almost as far away from the Bakerloo line as the H+C is (for varying values of 'almost"...)
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it's because they're marked as separate stations on the map. and they are pretty much geographically separate aswell - paddington station is huge. royal oak station is also aligned with the great western platforms (just), that's how big it is.
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On the other hand, Hammersmith is shown as one station and the two stations aren't even in one complex. :?
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Beary wrote:On the other hand, Hammersmith is shown as one station and the two stations aren't even in one complex. :?
No it's not - either you've missed it or you've got some strange version of the tube map - if the latter - any chance of a link?
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Yeah I kind of agree it can be a bit of a pain dashing between them.

Especialy from Circle to H&C cos that is a long way and uphill. But doing Paddington twice adds to the fun of Z1, even if it does knacker ya, and of course having to wait at some point for a H&C too
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Zeibura wrote:paddington station is huge. royal oak station is also aligned with the great western platforms (just), that's how big it is.
Yeah, but that's only because the lines are pretty much parallel until <looks on map> just before Westbourne Park, so it'll be aligned, but only because it's in a straight line from Paddington station!
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They also have separate ticket barriers, which helps define them as separate stations.
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TheFatBuoy wrote: No it's not - either you've missed it or you've got some strange version of the tube map - if the latter - any chance of a link?
Oops. :oops: I was looking at a ten year old map when writing this. They have changed it sometime between February 2000 (the last map I've got where it's shown as one station) and October 2001 where it's two separate stations.
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tubeguru wrote:They also have separate ticket barriers, which helps define them as separate stations.
So what about Stratford Jubilee/Central? That seems big enough to merit two stations, and you have to go through ticket barriers. And King's Cross has some if you're trying to go from a deep line to a surface line...
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It's really all about GWR rules. See my post:

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TheFatBuoy wrote:
Zeibura wrote:paddington station is huge. royal oak station is also aligned with the great western platforms (just), that's how big it is.
Yeah, but that's only because the lines are pretty much parallel until <looks on map> just before Westbourne Park, so it'll be aligned, but only because it's in a straight line from Paddington station!
I think that Zeibura is saying that at least one of the First Great Western platforms is even long enough to reach as far as Royal Oak station. I haven't checked this for myself, though.
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Post by G Force »

They are both physically and historically seperate. The H&C station used to be called Bishop's Road, and the District/Circle was called Praed Street.
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Thanks G Force, your reply explains and makes sense of the GWR ruling
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Starkey7 wrote: I think that Zeibura is saying that at least one of the First Great Western platforms is even long enough to reach as far as Royal Oak station. I haven't checked this for myself, though.
I don't think it is, you know... I go past that way whenever I'm going to London, and while Royal Oak is indeed practically inside Paddington station, from what I recall there's lots of junction-boxy stuff between there and where the platforms start.

(Apologies for displaying my ignorance of the workings of railways here. I'm here as a network topology geek, not a train geek...)
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