Random 15 Rules

[snudge27]

Quick question...

For the purposes of an R15 using both Underground and Overground services (or S-Bahn and U-Bahn in my case), would a station served by both Underground and Overground trains count as two separate stations?

If not, what about when the two parts of the station are quite far apart? For example, take a look at these stations (PDF downloads):

Warschauer Strasse (Two separate stations sharing the same name)
Jannowitzbrucke (Same station, different buildings)
Stadtmitte (The two lines are about as far apart as the other stations on the U2!)
Innsbrucker Platz (Here the two stations are separated by a motorway)
Friedrichstrasse (To change between the two North-South stations you have to run all the way through the East-West station... a little similar to Paddington)

Cheers

James

[al]

I would say they are all two stations except Friedrichstrasse, although I could be persuaded otherwise for all except Warschauer Strasse as I have been there and they are most definitely seperate stations

[Root]

If you're the first to do the challenge, you can basically make up your own rules!

[RichieG]

I think the R15 rules - for London at least! - are the same as GWR in this respect in that the station must be arrived at on the same tracks that LU trains travel on. Therefore, on a standard Underground R15, you would have to visit Whitechapel on Underground, but Gunnersbury could be visited by either (Willisden Junction only on the north/south line, not the east/west line?) Logically extending it to a Wombling R15 (Overground, Underground, little joke there, okay, I'll stop now) you could visit Whitechapel with either method, stations like Clapham Junction would have to be visited on an actual Overground train; Kens Oly could be visited by any type of train (NR and LO share tracks AFAIK).

[Starkey7]

Hmmm, very tricky mate. I'm never one to get involved in these sorts of debates though, because I quickly discover what I don't know.
How's reunification going?

[snudge27]

If you're the first to do the challenge, you can basically make up your own rules!

I know what you mean... but seeing as I've got a bit of an idea in mind, I'd like to get the sentiments of the experts!

I think the R15 rules - for London at least! - are the same as GWR in this respect in that the station must be arrived at on the same tracks that LU trains travel on. Therefore, on a standard Underground R15, you would have to visit Whitechapel on Underground, but Gunnersbury could be visited by either (Willisden Junction only on the north/south line, not the east/west line?) Logically extending it to a Wombling R15 (Overground, Underground, little joke there, okay, I'll stop now) you could visit Whitechapel with either method, stations like Clapham Junction would have to be visited on an actual Overground train; Kens Oly could be visited by any type of train (NR and LO share tracks AFAIK).

RichieG, a "Wombling R15" is precisely what I'm looking at; the S and U-Bahn services in Berlin are so integrated that there's really not much difference between them as far as frequency, speed etc., are concerned so it makes sense to include both modes of transport!

Hmmm, very tricky mate. I'm never one to get involved in these sorts of debates though, because I quickly discover what I don't know.
How's reunification going?

Oh, it's not too bad... we've got running water and suchlike out East now, and the locals only rarely point at aeroplanes these days! In all seriousness, it's not going too badly. There's still a tangible difference between East and West (especially once you leave Berlin), but the quality of life is pretty much the same.

[Mitchell&BrownLook]

Oh here's a nice can of juicy worms to crack open and digest!

For what my tuppence is worth:

Warschauer Strasse has a deep level station and a surface station - with only a surface connection between the two. It is therefore like the Edgware Road's, and I'd say it is therefore separate.

Jannowitzburke hasn't really got a London equivalent as one is on a viaduct, the other underground. However the entrances are quite a way apart so I'd say they are separate again.

Stadtmitte is even more unusual compared to London, as it's two underground stations with no underground connection! If that is the case (I say that because as I look again I'm beginning to doubt my original reading of the map) then it's separate - if there is a connection I'd say they are the same station. I'm beginning to realise that if I could read German this would be a whole lot easier - but less fun too!

Innsbrucker Platz is really touchy. Yes they're separate stations, but there's a direct link from the deep level station, which effectively becomes an underpass with a subway entrance outside the main line station. Without knowing the physical geography I'd say that you could reasonably call that either way.

As for Friedrichstrasse - where to even begin?! Firstly, I'm quite sure that the S1, S2 & S25 station is separate from the rest - there's simply no direct connection! However it's tricky to say for the rest - it could quite easily be 3 stations in one!

Finally I'd say that the only opinion that should count if that of Soup Dragon - after all he is the BERC! So let's see what he has to say about it all!

[snudge27]

To clarify the Stadtmitte situation:

It's got a tunnel linking the two stations, but it's the distance which raises the question.

I guess the situation is similar to if TfL were to build a tunnel linking the two Aldgate stations and bring them together under one name!

[Mitchell&BrownLook]

Well, from that description then it is one station. Charring Cross Bakerloo Line is miles from Charring Cross Northern Line yet is one station as it has one name - despite it having been two stations many years ago. So Stadtmitte is probably something similar to Charring Cross - I bet no one's said that before!

[Sam]

Monument and Bank also have a link which is quite long but however is obviously two stations...

[greatkingrat]

The only reason Monument and Bank are seperate stations is that they have different names. If it was all called Bank it would clearly be one station.

[Starkey7]

Is Innsbrucker Platz the same as Vauxhall, then?

[snudge27]

Is Innsbrucker Platz the same as Vauxhall, then?

I've no idea! What's Vauxhall like?

[Starkey7]

Not bad for somewhere to live, bit pricey and rather noisy, but within spitting distance of the city. Excellent night life.

[barrykas]

Monument and Bank also have a link which is quite long but however is obviously two stations...

Bank/Monument's a bit of an anomaly. Since the DLR was extended there, it's treated as a single complex, but with two names depending on where you enter, hence the platform numbering:

1 & 2 - District/Teacup
3 & 4 - Northern
5 & 6 - Central
7 & 8 - Waterloo and City
9 & 10 - DLR

For GWR purposes, however, it's still treated as two separate stations.

Cheers,

Barry