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tubeguru wrote:Yes, assuming you started at Amersham it would keep adding up the singles until you reached whatever a Zones 1-D travelcard is and then stop there.

Some people DO spend over two hours within the tube network on challenges without touching out and consequently get problems.

Imagine you touched in at Cockfosters and travelled to Upminster via, say, Holborn and Liverpool Street, and then back to Uxbridge via Acton Town.

That's easily over two hours without leaving the network I'd say.
Very true, but at the end of the day, what exactly would happen if you touched in (or out) after the 2 hours had elapsed? Would it just be a simple case of the barrier flashing up "seek assistance", and basically just cause a delay? Or would more problems happen?

Also, would I be right in thinking that if a small delay was the only issue, then if one was to use an Oyster card on a tube challenge, starting at Amersham, then one would probably only start getting charged from West Harrow (assuming no ticket inspectors from Amersham to Chalfont to Chesham to kraP rooM to Watford to North Harrow) ??
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If your Oyster times out after 2 hours in this way, do you lose any accrued costs towards the cap for the day?

In other words, if you time out, does it assume you're starting from zero again?
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Hold on a minute - am I asking the question, or are you? Or are neither of us sure?
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I'm asking a supplementary question :-)
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tubeguru wrote:If your Oyster times out after 2 hours in this way, do you lose any accrued costs towards the cap for the day?

In other words, if you time out, does it assume you're starting from zero again?
I haven't yet tried the challenge, but have done a fair bit of practice on various "bits" of my route. The first time I tried, I used my Oyster card.

I started at Chesham, and (this is not my route, incidentally) next touched out at Wimbledon, more than two hours later. I went to the ticket office and tried to explain I had come from Chesham, but the guy behind the desk didn't seem to listen and just gave me a zone 3 single, obviously a lot cheaper. I figured this wouldn't make a difference as I'd be travelling back to Chesham at the end of the day anyway, so would be capped for zones 1-D regardless. But, I then got on a bus to Morden, and by the time I touched in at Morden it was off-peak hours.

Why is this significant? If you travel a lot in off-peak hours and only one or a few journeys in peak hours, it charges you the off-peak cap plus any singles in peak time. This meant that I saved a few quid when I did finally get back to Chesham.

However, I had to visit at least three different ticket stations to resolve journeys over two hours, frustratingly. No way would I want this trouble during a serious challenge.

Furthermore, try putting Chesham to Epping on the TFL journey planner. It's about 1 hour, 55 minutes - I always get to the station a few minutes early, and say there are delays? I don't think the two hours is long enough. I'm exchanging emails with someone called Nadine from the website in regard to this.

I have mixed feelings about Oyster. It has given me loads of problems since I got it, but it's so much cheaper in some instances. It only costs me £3.00 to go into zone 1 if I leave after 1900, where it would be £6.00 otherwise.

Also, where singles are cheaper on my Oyster card, I can get an all zones paper travelcard for only £4.90 using my Young Person's railcard, so I still have to think about my journeys before I leave and then decide what would be cheaper.

But I do feel swanky touching my card-holder on the readers :).
TheFatBuoy wrote:Also, would I be right in thinking that if a small delay was the only issue, then if one was to use an Oyster card on a tube challenge, starting at Amersham, then one would probably only start getting charged from West Harrow (assuming no ticket inspectors from Amersham to Chalfont to Chesham to kraP rooM to Watford to North Harrow) ??
Only if the ticket gates at Amersham and North Harrow were open, and there were no ticket inspectors (which, in my experience, there never are - I have never ever seen one on any line at any time...).

It'd be risky though - if you don't touch in at Amersham because the gates are open, you may get to North Harrow and find that they're not open, so you'd have to "Seek Assistance". You'd be asked where you came from, but I suppose you could lie and say Pinner or something like that - they have no way of knowing. Would that weigh heavy on your conscience? Well, in my example earlier, I tried telling the dude that I'd come from Zone D, but he didn't care. I really get the impression that the tube staff don't know everything about Oyster, and they really don't like it.

But it's definitely here to stay.
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But next year the services from London Bridge to Caterham will be taken over by Tfl.... as a run-on to the ELLE I believe.

With the ownership of this line to Tfl it might be possible to use Oyster, but I am not Sure.
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The JLE wrote:But next year the services from London Bridge to Caterham will be taken over by Tfl.... as a run-on to the ELLE I believe.

With the ownership of this line to Tfl it might be possible to use Oyster, but I am not Sure.
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Oyster cards on all rail stations in London! Finally!

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From the FfL site:

Transport Secretary and Mayor of London announce new Oyster deal

This press release was originally issued by the Mayor of London's press office at the Greater London Authority.

New Oyster deal for rail passengers
New Oyster deal for rail passengers
A deal that will help London's rail passengers get the full benefit of Oyster cards and lay the foundations for a nationally accepted smartcard ticketing scheme has been struck.

The details of the announcement were set out by the new Transport Secretary, Douglas Alexander and London Mayor Ken Livingstone today.

Transport for London has agreed to pay for Oyster validation equipment to be provided for all London rail stations in Zones 1 - 6.

It is a significant breakthrough that offers train companies the opportunity to accept Oyster pay-as-you go products on their services.

Transport for London has also agreed to work with the Department for Transport to ensure that all Oyster equipment is capable of accepting other smart cards.

These are currently under development for use on public transport across the country by the Integrated Ticketing Smartcard Organisation (ITSO).

Smart ticketing technology

This is a further step towards the wider introduction of smart ticketing technology outside of London.

It will allow the development of fully integrated ticketing systems in and beyond the Capital, extending the convenience and ease of smartcard technology to millions more passengers.

It builds on the Government's decision to require bidders for the new South Western rail franchise to set out how a new smart ticketing system could be introduced across its franchise area from London to the South Coast.

Announcing the deal, Douglas Alexander the new Transport Secretary said: "This is a major step forward in ensuring that all passengers can benefit from the improvements new technology can bring.

"It lays the foundation for a national integrated ticketing scheme that will mean more flexible, quicker and simpler tickets for all public transport passengers."

Integrated ticketing

The Mayor for London Ken Livingstone said: "The extension of Oyster from just sixty rail stations to over three hundred under this agreement marks a massive step towards a fully integrated ticketing system in London, enabling passengers to move easily between rail, Tube, DLR, tram and bus using an Oyster card and without having to buy separate tickets.

"It will deliver a real improvement to the journeys of thousands of Londoners who currently cannot take advantage of the benefits of Oyster.

"This agreement between myself, the Secretary of State and Transport for London means Oyster card technology will be installed at National Rail stations, ensuring that passengers will now be able to take full advantage of Oyster, which can be topped-up conveniently, offers cheaper fares and speeds up journeys."

Peter Hendy, Transport for London Commissioner, said: "This plan will bring London's transport network one step closer to being properly integrated, as Transport for London's services have been for several years.

"It resolves the problem passengers currently face of having to buy two separate tickets to travel on overground rail and Transport for London services. This is an unprecedented opportunity to extend the convenience of Oyster to thousands more Londoners."

Pay-as-you-go

The introduction of Oyster technology could start this year at gated stations and once worked through with train operators, Oyster pay-as-you-go could be available at National Rail stations in London during 2008.

Currently there are only 60 London National Rail stations where passengers can use Pay-as-you-go. The total number of stations in London zones 1-6 is 310.

Transport for London introduced the Oyster card in 2003 to speed up passage through Tube gates and boarding buses. Oyster allows 40 people per minute to pass through gates, 15 more than those with magnetic stripe tickets.

Up to three different Travelcards or Bus Pass season tickets and
"pay as you go" can be stored on the same Oyster card at the same time.

Oyster can be topped up online, over the phone, at Travel Information Centres or at one of 2,200 Oyster-enabled agents. Registered lost or stolen cards with Annual, Monthly Travelcards or with "pay as you go" value stored on them can be stopped and the value transferred onto a new Oyster card, or refunded.

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I am incredibly happy with this, since I'll be living in New Cross next year and will be able to get NR services to London Bridge at the same price... if they will have implemented it by then anyway. But there should already be Oyster Card readers there since it's also a tube station.... I hope so anyway. :)
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Re: Oyster cards on all rail stations in London! Finally!

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sweek wrote: The introduction of Oyster technology could start this year at gated stations and once worked through with train operators, Oyster pay-as-you-go could be available at National Rail stations in London during 2008.
I am not a happy chappy- 18 months? To install a little yellow thing in the wall? Why is it only gated ones?
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Yes, let's see how long it actually takes them to install.

I'm going for 2 years minimum with at least one withdrawal of service for severe teething problems.
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Hmm, guess I interpreted it wrongly, I thought 2 years for all the stations... and I was hoping the ones that already have Oyster would be able to switch over quickly.
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Quick, ITSO! There's time and money to be wasted! Take as long as you possibly can!
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Post by G Force »

With NR journeys within Z6 soon to be on Oyster, I wonder if the 2 hour time limit will be extended?
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Apparently it's already two and a half hours if you start your journey outside of Zone 1.

But I'm sure they'll extend it further.

Hurrah for this FINALLY happening!
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Post by moley »

ITSO is the issue here - TfL were advised again and again to install a ITSO compliant system and have always refused.

Finally they have agreed to perfom the upgrade and it all gets the go ahead!

Interestingly, TfL said it would cost £19million to upgrade to the ITSO standard and the money is coming from DfT. TfL do have to pay the £15 million to install the systems at the 250 National Rail stations.

It should be pointed out that at present this does not include PrePay extending it's reach - only season tickets.
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