Olympia Shuttle

[tangy]

Times for both exhibition and non exhibition days are here (check dates previously mentioned above for exhibition days):

SSuX: from Kensington (Olympia): 0550, 0606, 0615, 0624, 0632, 1958, 2038; from High Street Kensington: 1941, 2021

SSuX exhibition days (dates as advertised): from Kensington (Olympia): 0550, 0606, 0615, 0624, 0632, 1028 and half-hourly until 2300; from High Street Kensington: 1011 and half-hourly until 2241

SO: from Kensington (Olympia): 0553 and approximately every 15-20 minutes until 0739 then every 20 minutes until 2319, 2335, 2350; from High Street Kensington: 0656, 0710, 0725, 0741 and every 20 minutes until 2321, 2336

SuO: from Kensington (Olympia): 0735, 0758, 0805, 0819 and every 20 minutes until 2259, 2326, 2350; from Earl's Court: 0758; from High Street Kensington: 0807, 0821 and every 20 minutes until 2301, 2323, 2338

With thanks for PSUL (Passenger Services over Unusual Lines) for the times.

[Going Underground]

Times for both exhibition and non exhibition days are here (check dates previously mentioned above for exhibition days):

SSuX: from Kensington (Olympia): 0550, 0606, 0615, 0624, 0632, 1958, 2038; from High Street Kensington: 1941, 2021

SSuX exhibition days (dates as advertised): from Kensington (Olympia): 0550, 0606, 0615, 0624, 0632, 1028 and half-hourly until 2300; from High Street Kensington: 1011 and half-hourly until 2241

SO: from Kensington (Olympia): 0553 and approximately every 15-20 minutes until 0739 then every 20 minutes until 2319, 2335, 2350; from High Street Kensington: 0656, 0710, 0725, 0741 and every 20 minutes until 2321, 2336

SuO: from Kensington (Olympia): 0735, 0758, 0805, 0819 and every 20 minutes until 2259, 2326, 2350; from Earl's Court: 0758; from High Street Kensington: 0807, 0821 and every 20 minutes until 2301, 2323, 2338

With thanks for PSUL (Passenger Services over Unusual Lines) for the times.

Thanks so for midweek I use SSuX then I guess?

[Nigel]

According to TfL's leaflet produced when the Olympia services were scaled back ( http://www.tfl.gov.uk/assets/downloads/ ... 11-dec.pdf ) you should check the Journey Planner to find out when exhibition services are running.

The FoI request ( http://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/k ... a_services ) says that there should be an exhibition service operating next Monday and Friday. Yet this is not shown in the Journey Planner, so I haven't a clue (nor will the travelling public) whether it will be operating.

Presumably if it does operate hardly anyone will go on it, as no one will know about it, which will give TfL an excuse to scale back even further due to lack of demand.

[snudge27]

According to TfL's leaflet produced when the Olympia services were scaled back ( http://www.tfl.gov.uk/assets/downloads/ ... 11-dec.pdf ) you should check the Journey Planner to find out when exhibition services are running.

The FoI request ( http://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/k ... a_services ) says that there should be an exhibition service operating next Monday and Friday. Yet this is not shown in the Journey Planner, so I haven't a clue (nor will the travelling public) whether it will be operating.

Presumably if it does operate hardly anyone will go on it, as no one will know about it, which will give TfL an excuse to scale back even further due to lack of demand.

Putting my legal hat on for a moment here, if TfL were to apply to remove the service altogether, using the aforementioned lack of ridership as evidence, could a challenge be put forward (not that we'd ever want to challenge the removal of Olympia!!) on the basis of procedural impropriety on the part of TfL?

[tubeguru]

Er, yes?

[The Raven]

With the 6:15 out of Olympia (which I've done three times) I've only ever seen one other passenger board the train.

Mind you what would you expect at 6am?

[snudge27]

Er, yes?

Sorry, I'll try and 'laymanise' that a bit!

I believe that I'm right in thinking that if TfL want to withdraw the Olympia service, they need to get Parliamentary approval? If this is the case, I would assume that TfL will have to produce evidence to support their removal of the service (most likely ridership figures etc.,).

Now if TfL are telling people to consult Journey Planner to find out whether an Olympia service is running on a particular day but are, as it would appear, not actually putting Olympia services on Journey Planner, surely one could argue that TfL are contriving to create false statistics as to the use of the service.

I guess (if it is deliberate) it would be equivalent to publicly announcing that the Olympia service isn't running, running it anyway, then using the fact that nobody used it (because they were told it wasn't running) to prove that the service isn't used.

If these facts are correct, and TfL are manipulating the statistics in order to be allowed to close the route, then it would stand to reason that one could challenge the decision through the Judicial Review process, on the grounds that TfL abused/misused the procedure in order to get the desired result.

[palkanetoijala31]

Am i wrong in the thinking here surely u want a closure (whether tfl do in an unhand or lawful way doesnt matter it still win win!)

[nozzacook]

The most likely is a withdrawal of weekday service. This is where they gain trains and slots through earls court.

For this they don't need parliamentary consent as they will still be running a weekend service.
Restart the discussion on a weekend record.

[greatkingrat]

Or even more likely, they will just stop the weekday exhibition service and still keep a couple of early morning trains (which have to come out of the depot anyway).

[palkanetoijala31]

or even more unlikely have just one train running back and forth with 2 drivers end to end 10min service turn around 1.5mins

[Starkey7]

I don't think that a repeating one-and-a-half-minute turnaround will be permitted by the timetabling rules.

[greatkingrat]

W&C trains in the peaks have a 1.25 minute turnaround time at Bank

[Starkey7]

Yes but the Waterloo and City line is much stabler compared with the District line and shorter turnarounds are probably okay there.

[greatkingrat]

Looking at the live departure boards, the Olympia service does indeed seem to be operating today, although the Journey Planner still knows nothing about it.